European Figure Skating Championships 2007

Lana wrote:

lanadd wrote:

I am not saying that the placement in the OD was unfair-indeed probably it was the only part fair, i'm saying that the 5 points were unfair-especially when taken because of their spin.This 5 points took them away the chance to fight for gold and has been taken away only for these reason

Okay. I think we agree that the difference in points was a bit ridiculous. I would like to know very much why the spin was downgraded. At least, this is just Euros and not Worlds... I hope they change that spin before Tokyo.

I don't think they will change it because there is nothing wrong with it. At the OD it was taken for a combination spin,which of course it is not And then suddenly abolutely the same spin in the FD is given level 3-how generous from the judges....the most scandalous are the PCS because you can't change your skills for a month-looks like Dom/S and Del/S also chaned them suddenly but in the positive direction.And the choreo and the transitions we all saw they are the same....thats why i can't accept the results from the Euro

Lerka wrote:

I love Isa & Olivier's FD!!! Especially the moment where Isabelle is shot it is gorgeous... and Olivier got some tiny changes in his costume that gold & silver thread was nice! So, again congrats to Isa & Olivier!!! I'm afraid it's going to be their sole gold medal.. but they got it! And they deserved it!!! And they are European champions!

Their FD was fabulous, Lerchik!!!! The part were Isabelle is shot is... my favourite part!!!! I love how original their program is. It's just stunning. I didn't notice the changes to Olivier's costume, though. It might have been easier to see on TV. I hope it won't be their only good medal... If this is Albena and Maxim's last year (), I would love it if Isa & Olivier started winning everything, next year!!!!! Biiiiiig congrats to them, again!!!!

Lana wrote:

I just saw that you'd edited your post...

lanadd wrote:

Their TES were lower then the TES of K/N!!!And don't you think they deserved a higher PCS,how come for one month they lost their skating skills, or did they changed their Choreo or the transition????Nooo they didn't, so why such a big difference???This 5 points took them away the chance to fight for gold and has been taken away only for these reason

Well, I don't feel like arguing about this. I was simply stating my opinion. I've already commented before about my thoughts on the OD. We seem to disagree on some things, which is perfectly fine. I'm sorry if anything I've stated has offended you. It wasn't my intent.

No no problem you didn't offended me.I am just still furious about this 5 points(and the 1 in the CD) and i am seeking some answers maybe

lanadd wrote:

No no problem you didn't offended me.I am just still furious about this 5 points(and the 1 in the CD) and i am seeking some answers maybe

Good, I'm glad I didn't offend you! And about seeking answers, I can completely understand that. I'm still in complete shock that Oksana and Maxim won the FD.

Lana wrote:

I would like to know very much why the spin was downgraded. At least, this is just Euros and not Worlds... I hope they change that spin before Tokyo.

Well.. even Linnie couldn't explain this.. she is still thinking that the spin was ok But Albena promised to change this very spin in the OD for the WC!! So, no worries!

Bea wrote:

Lera wrote!

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I think you're so right!This must stop...all the fans must make a subscription to make this judge system more realistic.I don't know that ISU would accept it,but something must change

I agree, but I don't think they are going to heed us! :shocked:

It is soo sad to see such things happening and not be able to do anything....they stayed because of us they dance for us and we shall do whatever we can for them......Once she risked soo much to protect the others(D/V) now nobody will try to protect them???
I don't believe that it is impossible, not that it will change the results but at least they should be more careful at the worlds...
What can we da...is there any official procedure, like a petition....how can we find out??

Lerka wrote:

Lana wrote:

I would like to know very much why the spin was downgraded. At least, this is just Euros and not Worlds... I hope they change that spin before Tokyo.

Well.. even Linnie couldn't explain this.. she is still thinking that the spin was ok But Albena promised to change this very spin in the OD for the WC!! So, no worries!

Thanks for the info, Lerochka! I'm really glad that they are changing it. I loved this spin... so, it's a shame. But, if it isn't getting the points than they cannot keep it.

lanadd wrote:

Lol i just read an interview with Albena, "I am declaring that we'll take revenge in Tokyo and we'll have a judge there and i can say don't pissed us off because we might stay until Vancouver,of course we are not thinking it seriously now")
LoL sounds wonderful and she is soo confident about the revenge it makes me believe the judging will be fair there

Sorry... i don't want to cause a panic before the time.. but I don't believe that the judging will be fair... Just look what was going on so far... and Domnia & Shabalin are currently taking turns!!! I hate saying this. I don't want to say this. But I'm afraid that Pissev is going to do his best to make Domnina winning Worlds in Tokyo...

Lana wrote:

Lerka wrote:

Lana wrote:

I would like to know very much why the spin was downgraded. At least, this is just Euros and not Worlds... I hope they change that spin before Tokyo.

Well.. even Linnie couldn't explain this.. she is still thinking that the spin was ok But Albena promised to change this very spin in the OD for the WC!! So, no worries!

Thanks for the info, Lerochka! I'm really glad that they are changing it. I loved this spin... so, it's a shame. But, if it isn't getting the points than they cannot keep it.

really does she said that?when? well i like it also but if they think they have too...

Lerka wrote:

Sorry... i don't want to cause a panic before the time.. but I don't believe that the judging will be fair... Just look what was going on so far... and Domnia & Shabalin are currently taking turns!!! I hate saying this. I don't want to say this. But I'm afraid that Pissev is going to do his best to make Domnina winning Worlds in Tokyo...

I wouldn't be shocked if D/Sh did win Worlds. They are going to be World Champions. We know it's coming. We just don't know when it's coming. If D/Sh don't win it this year, they will definitely win it next year. I'm sorry, but this is how I see it.

lanadd wrote:

Lana wrote:

Lerka wrote:

Well.. even Linnie couldn't explain this.. she is still thinking that the spin was ok But Albena promised to change this very spin in the OD for the WC!! So, no worries!

Thanks for the info, Lerochka! I'm really glad that they are changing it. I loved this spin... so, it's a shame. But, if it isn't getting the points than they cannot keep it.

really does she said that?when? well i like it also but if they think they have too...

Yesterday on the phone converstation

Lerka wrote:

Yesterday on the phone converstation

But, of course.

Lana wrote:

I wouldn't be shocked if D/Sh did win Worlds. They are going to be World Champions. We know it's coming. We just don't know when it's coming. If D/Sh don't win it this year, they will definitely win it next year. I'm sorry, but this is how I see it.

There is a tiiiiiiny difference only this year there will be Albena & Max.. I don't want Oksana & Max to win thiiiiiis year!!!

Lana wrote:

Lerka wrote:

Sorry... i don't want to cause a panic before the time.. but I don't believe that the judging will be fair... Just look what was going on so far... and Domnia & Shabalin are currently taking turns!!! I hate saying this. I don't want to say this. But I'm afraid that Pissev is going to do his best to make Domnina winning Worlds in Tokyo...

I wouldn't be shocked if D/Sh did win Worlds. They are going to be World Champions. We know it's coming. We just don't know when it's coming. If D/Sh don't win it this year, they will definitely win it next year. I'm sorry, but this is how I see it.

And I am just frustrated about it. I LOVE Oksana and Maxim, and I think they CAN get everything they deserve - when the time comes. This stupid Piseev is just ruining their careers making them the second Navkos. They DON"T deserve such kind of attitude and don't need such kind of support!!!!

Lerka wrote:

Lana wrote:

I wouldn't be shocked if D/Sh did win Worlds. They are going to be World Champions. We know it's coming. We just don't know when it's coming. If D/Sh don't win it this year, they will definitely win it next year. I'm sorry, but this is how I see it.

There is a tiiiiiiny difference only this year there will be Albena & Max.. I don't want Oksana & Max to win thiiiiiis year!!!

Well, yeah. I don't want Oksana & Maxim to win. I'm just preparing myself for the worst.

cute_n_gorgeous wrote:

And I am just frustrated about it. I LOVE Oksana and Maxim, and I think they CAN get everything they deserve - when the time comes. This stupid Piseev is just ruining their careers making them the second Navkos. They DON"T deserve such kind of attitude and don't need such kind of support!!!!

Completely agree with you, Vala! they don't need such kind of support! They are a nice couple, they are a talented couple.. Pisseev just spoils everything Oksana & Max are losing their fans right now.. but not because of them or their skating.. just because of Pisseev. And it's sad.

cute_n_gorgeous wrote:

And I am just frustrated about it. I LOVE Oksana and Maxim, and I think they CAN get everything they deserve - when the time comes. This stupid Piseev is just ruining their careers making them the second Navkos. They DON"T deserve such kind of attitude and don't need such kind of support!!!!

Ohhh, I'm sorry, Vala. I think Oksana and Maxim are going to be really great in a couple of years. I really do. I just don't want them to be World Champions, yet. If they keep being pushed by Piseev, they are going to seem like just another Navkos. And that isn't actually fair to them, because they are good skaters. I don't think I was quite fair to them there. I think I am still upset about yesterday.

Lana wrote:

Well, yeah. I don't want Oksana & Maxim to win. I'm just preparing myself for the worst.

The same. I didn't want to believe "that" could happen in Warsaw, but it did happen. So now.. I don't want to think about it.. I don't want to say it.. buttttt.. it's so very possible.. unfortunately.

Well, dear Lerchik and Lana...
You understand me....

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The same. I didn't want to believe "that" could happen in Warsaw, but it did happen. So now.. I don't want to think about it.. I don't want to say it.. buttttt.. it's so very possible.. unfortunately.

I was so stupid - I didn't even think of THAT!!!
But, we are going to have a bulgarian judge at the Worlds, so A&M won't be so defensless!

cute_n_gorgeous wrote:

Well, dear Lerchik and Lana...
You understand me....

Of course!

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I was so stupid - I didn't even think of THAT!!!
But, we are going to have a bulgarian judge at the Worlds, so A&M won't be so defensless!

No, no, don't say you were stupid! it's simply not true eh.. bulgarian judge is a wonderful thing to have at Worlds. But.. there will be "some other" judges also.. :face:

*MAGic diable* wrote:

lanadd wrote:

Lana wrote:

Lerka wrote:

Well.. even Linnie couldn't explain this.. she is still thinking that the spin was ok But Albena promised to change this very spin in the OD for the WC!! So, no worries!

Thanks for the info, Lerochka! I'm really glad that they are changing it. I loved this spin... so, it's a shame. But, if it isn't getting the points than they cannot keep it.

really does she said that?when? well i like it also but if they think they have too...

Yesterday on the phone converstation

Oh i see, no don't say that about the worlds...please ..........Does Albena told you that? She said that they will skate and Linichuk will make the "politicks"+the bulgarian judge...She sounded confident,and she wouldn't sound like this if she knows Dom/S will be world champions...But i don't understand i though these here has happened because of the lack of a judge...then the bulgarian judge has told to calm us down that she will be in Japan and the things will be ok(which means gold)) Oh i was so happy hearing that and now i don't know what to think anymore??? Is it just a sense you have or you know it for sure??

Dear girls!
Any talented couple,besides Oksana and Maxim S, should be able to win a medal IF they do deserve it.. , no matter which country they represent...and that unfortunately hasn't happened and I am afraid the situation will be the same , unfortunately in the coming seasons! That is going to be the great discredit in Ice Dance

cute_n_gorgeous wrote:

Lana wrote:

Lerka wrote:

Sorry... i don't want to cause a panic before the time.. but I don't believe that the judging will be fair... Just look what was going on so far... and Domnia & Shabalin are currently taking turns!!! I hate saying this. I don't want to say this. But I'm afraid that Pissev is going to do his best to make Domnina winning Worlds in Tokyo...

I wouldn't be shocked if D/Sh did win Worlds. They are going to be World Champions. We know it's coming. We just don't know when it's coming. If D/Sh don't win it this year, they will definitely win it next year. I'm sorry, but this is how I see it.

And I am just frustrated about it. I LOVE Oksana and Maxim, and I think they CAN get everything they deserve - when the time comes. This stupid Piseev is just ruining their careers making them the second Navkos. They DON"T deserve such kind of attitude and don't need such kind of support!!!!

ITA i have mixed feelings,first i am angry because they overtake A&M then i feel pitty for them exactly because of that,with or without Piseev support, they would be World champion and it will happen soon(not this year though lets hope) and they are still young they have plenty of time to make it in the right way,then exept for the medal they will win the audience also...which is very important ...i don't believe that it is very agreable feeling to hear what we heard yesterday....Piseev will give them the medals one or two years in advance but will take away from the love of the people........how sad is that...and when i saw their faces at the GPF and at Euros i think they've already understand that

I really enjoyed the performance Of Oksana and Maxim S , yesterday!
tHEY WERE VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD INDEED! I even think that they have improved a lot since last season!!! They will be champions ......they are made of the stuff champions are made!

Serena wrote:

I really enjoyed the performance Of Oksana and Maxim S , yesterday!
tHEY WERE VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD INDEED! I even think that they have improved a lot since last season!!! They will be champions ......they are made of the stuff champions are made!

Yes ok but not this year pleaseeeeeee-although i don't like their FD at all, actually their OD and FD give me headache???And i don't have no idea why is that