European Figure Skating Championships 2007

You invited Lesha who? Tikhonov? And do you have photos of Alex with the flag? I waaaant very much to see it!

yes it was alexei tokhonov....he was really cute with me this week, he said that i look like a model...so nice from him
no i haven't picture with alex and the flag sorry !

aline wrote:

yes it was alexei tokhonov....he was really cute with me this week, he said that i look like a model...so nice from him

cute Lesha

thank you
i can't speak a lot about my week in Warsaw now
may be later...when i'll realise...

Quoting Maria!

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I am still upset, but now I know how things work in this sport , so I am less shocked, can you believe that??? This doesn´t mean that I am less angry.. I am furious! :shocked

Less shocked but soooooooooo angry! YES, I FEEL THE SAME,

This morning some friends of mine were just saying OH! the bulgarians! They were so fantastic, they were the best, but they only got 3rd!

OHHH!! SO much hipocrisy in final scores , I thought!

aline wrote:

thank you
i can't speak a lot about my week in Warsaw now
may be later...when i'll realise...

Oh, your flag was just fantastik!!! We are looking forward to your report! (You danced with Lesha )

aline wrote:

hello everyone,
i'm coming back from Warsaw
it was full of emotions...i know alexandra will do a report about this competition but if you want to know something i can tell you
kiss !!!!!

anf LOVE ALBENKA AND MAX 4 EVER

Oh i am sure it has been magical...and your flag-wow-the best i have seen
I am so impatient to know moreeee

Lana wrote:

Okay. I think we agree that the difference in points was a bit ridiculous. I would like to know very much why the spin was downgraded. At least, this is just Euros and not Worlds... I hope they change that spin before Tokyo.

I am soooooooooo late here. Because my computer sucks, and also because after following the results all day online at work I was too depressed to come back and talk about them anymore. (tears, heartache) I wouldn't take anything at all away from Isabelle and Olivier because they are such excellent skaters and have also had so many problems with the judges through the years (they sooooo should have won Europeans in 2005) and the finally put it together, so good for them! But of course very sad for Albena and Maxim. Although I'm glad to hear she sounds so tough in the aftermath.

But I just have to weigh in on the spin. It's not a political call, it's a real honest, although very very picky call. They reason it gets called L1 in the OD and not in the FD is because, due to the entry they use in the OD (which is slightly different), Max goes around one complete time before he gets into his sit spin, so that counts as a position for him, and he doesn't get any credit for his position change, and so the difficulty is counted as less. In the FD he takes less (although not much less!) than one rotation to get into his sit spin, and so the "first" position (before the sit) is not counted, and they get a higher level for it. I hope very much that they will fix it before Worlds, because it's not a difficult thing to fix and it's such a silly thing to keep losing so many points on.

I just think that because ice dance is so political, it's important to distinguish things that are political from things that aren't, and this isn't. That way there's more energy to focus on the things that really are pure evil politics. Like Oksana and Maxim winning the FD, um, WTF?

Hello, Grace! I'm glad to see you back with us

Thanks for your very professional comment about the level of the spin! These are things that I could never notice
Yes, I hope they'll fix it before the Worlds, I think it was a stupid mistake, not that they can't do this spin perfectly, just... I don't know. I hope they won't make more mistakes at the Worlds, that everything will be perfect

Bye!

Grace wrote:

They reason it gets called L1 in the OD and not in the FD is because, due to the entry they use in the OD (which is slightly different), Max goes around one complete time before he gets into his sit spin, so that counts as a position for him, and he doesn't get any credit for his position change, and so the difficulty is counted as less. In the FD he takes less (although not much less!) than one rotation to get into his sit spin, and so the "first" position (before the sit) is not counted, and they get a higher level for it. I hope very much that they will fix it before Worlds, because it's not a difficult thing to fix and it's such a silly thing to keep losing so many points on.

Oh.Gosh. I just don't understand one thing. Why does not Linichuk see this? :| Thank you so much, Grace! It was too hard for me to understand why can "not combination spin" be considered as a combination one. Pffff. I just couldn't find this "another position" One complete rotation for Max.. cool.
Grace.. I don't have enough words to thank you! You are wonderful to explain this so clearly!
And I'm so glad to see you again

Grace wrote:

I am soooooooooo late here. Because my computer sucks, and also because after following the results all day online at work I was too depressed to come back and talk about them anymore. (tears, heartache)

I know..

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I wouldn't take anything at all away from Isabelle and Olivier because they are such excellent skaters and have also had so many problems with the judges through the years (they sooooo should have won Europeans in 2005) and the finally put it together, so good for them!

Good for them and well deserved in three dances! And taking into consideration they won't have a judge at Worlds.. so all of these problemes seem to appear for them again & again.. I'm very-very glad they won!

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Like Oksana and Maxim winning the FD, um, WTF?

Pfffffft Graaaaccce!!! can you also imagine that 3/4 of russian newspapers are talking about "unfair" judgement 0.31!!!

*MAGic diable* wrote:

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Like Oksana and Maxim winning the FD, um, WTF?

Pfffffft Graaaaccce!!! can you also imagine that 3/4 of russian newspapers are talking about "unfair" judgement 0.31!!!

"Unfair" in what sense? The journalists agree that Oksana and Maxim don't deserve the 2nd place or they think the Russians should be first?
If it's the second ...... arghhhhhh

Vania wrote:

"Unfair" in what sense? The journalists agree that Oksana and Maxim don't deserve the 2nd place or they think the Russians should be first?
If it's the second ...... arghhhhhh

Of course, russians tell that Oksana & Max might win it's so funny to read their comments.. they are already sad with that silver insatiable russian journalists

Hello, Grace!
It's so good you are back here with us to explain things better!
Of course i don't know anything about the technicalities and the spins, but about the rest I think we can tell that it was unfair ...again..
Portuguese commentators just said after the FD that SDS was a fabulous, fantastic performance, one of the best performances they had seen ever in Ice dance! Of course my country doesn't count, we don't even have skaters, but it's just to let you know what portuguese commentators said!

*MAGic diable* wrote:

Oh.Gosh. I just don't understand one thing. Why does not Linichuk see this? :|

Well, no worries, I know for a fact that she knows now, and didn't I read somewhere here that they're planning on fixing/changing it?

And and to the Russian journalists, whatever! They can wait one more year-- I love Oksana and Maxim and expect them to dominate ice dance in this Olympic cycle, but seriously, they are just not there yet. What is the ever loving rush?

Oh, and Bea, of course I totally agree that Albena and Maxim should have won the FD. That placement was totally ridiculous! I could have lived with it if they'd been a very very close second in the FD to Isabelle and Olivier, just because Isa and Oli had so much momentum in that competition, but third? By so much? No way.

Do you know what....about the spin i have watched their dances from 2005,04 and they have the same entrance.....so it's very strange the judges see it right now...have they been blind for soooo many years?

Grace wrote!

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Oh, and Bea, of course I totally agree that Albena and Maxim should have won the FD. That placement was totally ridiculous! I could have lived with it if they'd been a very very close second in the FD to Isabelle and Olivier, just because Isa and Oli had so much momentum in that competition, but third? By so much? No way

I am feeling relieved..I was not the only one to think sooo.

lanaadd wrote!

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Do you know what....about the spin i have watched their dances from 2005,04 and they have the same entrance.....so it's very strange the judges see it right now...have they been blind for soooo many years?

Strange, isn't it??? SOOO...what are to think about this????

Hi Everyone!

I just wanted to say, that I also was at The Euros and I that I´m a great fan of Albena & Maxim, although I never write here...

I spend some time with Albena during those days in Warsaw I´ll share my photos och videos with you as soon as I have time.

But most of all, I´m very HAPPY that I met Aline, Alex och Sofie at the Euros! Love you girls! It has been so great to have someone to share my pasion with bout Albena & Max!!!

Alene, my dear, I must got your tel.number wrong, because I tried to call you and it wasn´t working, so please send it to me again!

I´ll be back soon with more details about our Albena and Max and with some gossips:-)) My time there was so intense and I met so many people and journalists...It was amazing!!!!

Bea wrote:

lanaadd wrote!

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Do you know what....about the spin i have watched their dances from 2005,04 and they have the same entrance.....so it's very strange the judges see it right now...have they been blind for soooo many years?

Strange, isn't it??? SOOO...what are to think about this????

I do believe that the entrance does not make the spin easier, and it is stil 4th level and it is obvious it is not a combination...However it is better to change the entrance, or even the hole spin but i can say only that if the judges want to push them down, they will always find some reason for their action.....thats what happened at the EC(for ex.,exept from all the other PCS,they have the lowest mark from the 3 teams for Linking Footwork and Choreo in the OD,and even a russian lady doing a report for the EC, said it is just physical impossible to have more holds than they have..and i don't think i have to say anything different for the Choreo then brillant)
Toward them the judging was scandalous...but it is over now....Lets hope and believe that the judges at the WC will have a different attitude to them

Just want to defend Russian journalists - not all of them tell that Oksana and Max should have won - no, Russian eurosport commentators said openly that A&M were the best and that they were underscored. Many other journalists who know much about figure-skating also said and wrote that. There are more doybts about Isa and Olivier's first place - well, that's the truth. Many people in Russia think Oksana and Max to have skated better than the French pair, but almost everybody agrees that A&M were gorgeous and unbeatable, some even said that A&M should have won the Euros only with their FD, taking 5-6 points more than their rivals

Quoting Grace!

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I just think that because ice dance is so political, it's important to distinguish things that are political from things that aren't, and this isn't. That way there's more energy to focus on the things that really are pure evil politics. Like Oksana and Maxim winning the FD, um

Yes! Toooo political, let me say! Perhaps Ok and Maxim S should have been third and Albena and Max second???? o.k I STILL THINK THEY OUGHT TO HAVE BEEN fIRST..