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PostSubject: Re: Maxim in driving accident   Maxim in driving accident - Page 24 Icon_minitimeFri 11 Jan - 20:25

Exclamation in Bulgarian: http://dariknews.bg/view_article.php?article_id=214955
---> The denial of Burgas court to accept the claim of the father of Manuela is illegal, Manuelas lawyer said. He is categoric that the claim has to be allowed, according to Bulgarian and European law. "Otherwise the family has all chances to win trial in Strasbourg for defence from access to the lawcourt." Exclamation scratch ---> So, they think of giving the trial to Strasbourg, to the European court!!! Ridiculous!!!

in English: http://sofiaecho.com/article/case-against-staviski-suspended/id_27016/catid_66

Evil or Very Mad in English: http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=89244

in Bulgarian, no new news in it: http://www.standartnews.com/bg/article.php?d=2008-01-11&article=217589

in English, updated version: http://international.ibox.bg/news/id_1993324859

in Bulgarian: http://www.standartnews.com/bg/article.php?d=2008-01-11&article=217590 ---> Not much new news, except this one: Maxim tried to speak to the brother of Petar Petrov after the trial. As far as I understand it the brother of Petar went away without a word! (Please correct me if I understood wrong!)

in Bulgarian: http://news.ibox.bg/news/id_1480282119

in Bulgarian: http://www.7sport.net/7sport/sports/d4916_7.htm

in Bulgarian: http://www.standartnews.com/bg/article.php?d=2008-01-11&article=217591

Translation of the last link:

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"Manuela parents:
To pay treatment and will not want prison
Send the girl in Israeli hospital


With tears, his eyes guilty and awkward silence began proceedings against the world champion Figure Skating Maxim Staviski. "It is very tragic for the people, sorry indeed, succeeded spoken accused seconds before the start of the first session. Staviski came in Bourgas court heartbroken and desperate, along with his partner Albena Denkova. The young woman stoic withstand voltage and unlike him answer the questions. Max from the outset said sorry for what happened. Crook to the whole country, "said Denkova question how he feels Partner J. She added that rather interested in the status of victims of the accident Manuela, who was in a coma after crash. Status in the courtroom and was presented a document from the Military Hospital. "Recently my daughter was reviewed by an Israeli professor who gave great hope to my family," explained to the Standard father Krassimir Gorsov. The doctor was clear that he can take away from the girl komata and even to return to its previous condition, but was necessary treatment to be held in Israel. The family is not necessary funds for treatment abroad. Krassimir Gorsov explained that it was therefore huge civil claim of 2 million euro, which the court rejected yesterday. So money was needed to get out the girl from a deep sleep. The father of Manuela accused Staviski that it has not been requested to help even a penny for the treatment of their daughter. Costly treatment plashtal slivenskiyat businessman Peter Christ, whom Grandfather of Manuela worked for many years. "We are grateful to this person, but not if it pays foreign sins" explicitly Gorsov. The lawyer of the family did Hristo Hristov said that he would insist Maxim Staviski not be convicted effectively, and to receive only probation if Champ pay costly treatment of the girl in Israel. Lawyer added that if Maxim begin to pay for treatment and help themselves, since such an act will be decided by the court as a mitigating circumstance fault.
Elena Dimitrova"


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PostSubject: Re: Maxim in driving accident   Maxim in driving accident - Page 24 Icon_minitimeFri 11 Jan - 20:37

"Staviski's lawyer said the claim for compensation was the right of parents, but the amount was unheard of in Bulgarian legal practise."

Exactly... Wink Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Maxim in driving accident   Maxim in driving accident - Page 24 Icon_minitimeSat 12 Jan - 7:45

There is huge number of papers in the Bulgarian press.
Most of them say the same thing. Some have rediculous comments.
That amount of money is really unheard of and the attorneys of Manuela's family could have easily predict the situation.

That social unsurance has to do with the retirement plan and people's income. The attorneys don't mention income, but social insurance. Rediculous.

And as far as the help from Max is concerned, I think in the very beggining he used some personal connections to get Manuela ASAP to the
best possible hospital.
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PostSubject: Re: Maxim in driving accident   Maxim in driving accident - Page 24 Icon_minitimeSat 12 Jan - 22:16

If someone wants to download the Bulgarian news from 10.01.2008 about Max´s trial, here they are. Thanks to "blackcoffee" from the Bulgarian forum for uploading zvet !

NTV (=HTB) lunch news: http://www.divshare.com/download/3441182-15a

BTV lunch news: http://www.divshare.com/download/3440379-bdb

BTV vesper news with an interview: http://www.divshare.com/download/3440873-b36


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Petra wrote:
If someone wants to download the Bulgarian news from 10.01.2008 about Max´s trial, here they are. Thanks to "blackcoffee" from the Bulgarian forum for uploading zvet !

NTV (=HTB) lunch news: http://www.divshare.com/download/3441182-15a

BTV lunch news: http://www.divshare.com/download/3440379-bdb

BTV vesper news with an interview: http://www.divshare.com/download/3440873-b36


Thank you for posting the videos here, Petra!!(and to blackcoffee, too, sure) ohhhh
Much better quality than from youtube.
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PostSubject: Re: Maxim in driving accident   Maxim in driving accident - Page 24 Icon_minitimeSun 13 Jan - 14:31

It's new article from today.
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=89330

I really hope Manuela will be better soon if she could get treatment in Israel!

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PostSubject: Re: Maxim in driving accident   Maxim in driving accident - Page 24 Icon_minitimeSun 13 Jan - 23:00

A very interesting interview with the father of Munuela!!! For example he is asked how much the treatment of Manuela will cost, and he answers: 60.000 Leva (=30.000 Euros)! The rest (=the difference to the 2.000.000 Leva) he wants to have for the treatment in Israel Evil or Very Mad !!!!!! The whole interview is really worth reading Twisted Evil !!!

http://www.standartnews.com/bg/article.php?d=2008-01-13&article=217921

Here´s the translation:

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"The father of Manuela:
To pay treatment and decreased wants

- Mr. Gorsov, how is your daughter now?
- And is now in a coma. There is improvement, but it becomes very slow recovery. For her medical care teams, very good professionals and I am convinced that it will be fine. I never stop to think.
- She responds you to vote, the sounds?
- She reacted emotionally to his mother, having her speak, as it shows pictures. There are days, which is very active. Excited about it. There are days in which no such effects, but, generally, go to improvement.
- What is your plan for treatment? Your family has hired accommodation in Sofia. There is one person who pays such accommodations, and helps to treat itself Manuela. And yet organized treatment in Israel. Is this true?
- Yes, the man says Peter Christoff. Except for treatment, which helps, and assume all costs that has her in the hospital because she needs specialized medical care. Christ is a serious businessman with a big heart. My father was an employee of 12 years. My father zamoli him for help in the beginning. He has not called on the first day to help. Incredible man. He gave my word that I will watch while my child is fine.
- Approximately how much it cost so far the treatment of Manuela Gorsova?
- Approximately only for it day to 140 leva, I think about 60 thousand euro so far.
- I ask because I want to show listeners that the amount of 2 million euro, which you desire (from Maxim Staviski - B. River) is not abnormal.
- I am ready for another option. He assumed the care of my daughter in Israel in the clinic to be approved by the treating physician Prof. Nikolai Petrov, and the claim will not be one. Will be significantly lower.
- And you suggested that you go to his lawyers or directly to him?
- I did not think that my lawyer had said something, something concrete, one of the meetings. I think that is normal to doseti.
- Have you spoken to the man whose name would not mention (Maxim Staviski - B. River)? Speak in court?
- I see now - it is our calling. We hear you. Of rain on the wind.
- What you talking about?
- In general, child - what can we talk. The status of the child. Another speculation, which want an end: I was offered money, agreements and things like that. Though there were people who thought I accepted. There is no such thing.
Martin Karbovski "


And some more articles from today (only Bulgarian), all about Manuela and the difficulties relative to the trial, now that the claim of her parents is rejected...
http://www.standartnews.com/bg/article.php?d=2008-01-13&article=217920
http://www.standartnews.com/bg/article.php?d=2008-01-13&article=217919
http://www.standartnews.com/bg/article.php?d=2008-01-13&article=217918


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eeeh... Shocked Manuela's father keeps on insisting that Max didn't offer him money for Manuela's treatment??
How could he? shocked He acts like Max is the spawn of hell... Evil or Very Mad
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Some more articles, only Bulgarian again:

http://dariknews.bg/view_article.php?article_id=215193 --> There is the possibility that Manuela can be formed as a secret / individual accuser by the lawsuit against Max.
Question Do I understand this right that there might be a second trial against Max now, this time with Manuela as an individual accuser???

http://dariknews.bg/view_article.php?article_id=215185---> The father of Manuela Gorsova told Darik news that if Max pays for Manuelas treatment in Israel, than the civil claim will look another way!!!
Exclamation To me this sounds a liitle bit of extortion / blackmailing Rolling Eyes scratch ...
scratch scratch But when I think more about it, if this means that there will be a minor claim , then this would be good for Max... scratch scratch

http://news.ibox.bg/news/id_344087124---> Here the same! Quote of the translated version: "Krasimir Gorsov specified that his claim will be radically different, if Maxim Staviski pays for the treatment of Manuela in a clinic in Israel."

No new information in here: http://dnes.dir.bg/2008/01/13/news2537851.html

http://www.chernomore.bg/index.php?nid=19762 ---> Manuelas father told Darik news that they are making investigations as well at the point of Manuela if there is a danger for her to travel to Israel. She perhaps will leave for Israel around the end of the month...
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PostSubject: Re: Maxim in driving accident   Maxim in driving accident - Page 24 Icon_minitimeMon 14 Jan - 0:47

Two more vids from the trial can be found in Youtube:

Channel 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoUCJMm58KI

Nova TV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vOaAVvYPas
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All of this is just stupid. What if Manuela doesn't want this - right now she can't have any kind of opinion but they can't be speaking from her name shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Maxim in driving accident   Maxim in driving accident - Page 24 Icon_minitimeMon 14 Jan - 22:05

Petra wrote:
NTV (=HTB) lunch news: http://www.divshare.com/download/3441182-15a

BTV lunch news: http://www.divshare.com/download/3440379-bdb

BTV vesper news with an interview: http://www.divshare.com/download/3440873-b36

The Youtube versions. Thanks to "myblackcoffee" zvet :

BTV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muj1fyusYQA

BTV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXDnEZRvnMI

NTV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwaUZ6g-33E
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Maxim Staviski to get away with an agreement?
http://international.ibox.bg/news/id_1360120725

Quote of the translation: " "Whether in the prison or in freedom, I always am a help to Manuela," Staviski before BNT announced last night."
http://topsport.ibox.bg/news/id_223558684
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PostSubject: Re: Maxim in driving accident   Maxim in driving accident - Page 24 Icon_minitimeMon 14 Jan - 23:39

:vo: Our Viktoria has done a good translation job of some parts of the vids in the forum of fsuniverse zvet zvet zvet zvet zvet zvet zvet zvet !Hey, we miss your translations here!!! Pleeeeeeeeeeease!!!!! Don´t forget us, poklon , o.k.!!!!!!
For me sending every Bulgarian article through the translator is taking tooooooo long, and besides without the help of our Bulgarians we only understand the things half here!!! Crying or Very sad

See post 299 in: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=52912&page=15

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You maybe need to log in there to be able to read the article!


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sunny Hey,Petra i haven't forgoten you guys.I was a little bit busy last few weeks before and after New Year but i promice i'll try to be here as much as i can.I am very impresed and amazed by all great work you have done Petra and very proud with you.Thank you for everything. flower zvet
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PostSubject: Re: Maxim in driving accident   Maxim in driving accident - Page 24 Icon_minitimeWed 16 Jan - 1:12

I made a translation on one of the latest news from BG Kanal 1 "Sport fewer"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoUCJMm58KI

It starts in the middle of Maxim’s answer ,so I’ll continue from

Albena- No matter how long is the trial, no matters what is the sentence ,the heaviest punishment is the one
coming from our conscience because we have to live with this for the rest of our lives.

Maxim - Albena doesn’t have any fault but she is with me in this , my punishment began from the accident and I doubt that I ever forget about this. The courts decision and the sentence are less important then the punishment inside me .

Reporter : The compensation of 2,5 mln leva/1.8 mln US $/ are precedent for Bulgarian Law , shared with us Staviski’s lawyers and the prosecutor.

Prosecutor : Yes, it is very rare and unusual to ask for such amount of money and I am not sure if it is going to be granted by the court .


Ognian Notev : This amount is unknown in our Law practice , I think is very high but after all the court will decide.

A.D. : Our life is turned upside down, not only ours or our families and relatives but the life of people who were involved in the accident . How or what can you feel in such a situation .You have many and different thoughts. Your point of view and thinking about many thing changes . Of course Maxim keeps in touch with Krasimir /Manuela’s father/.We try to help with whatever we can but on the other hand we don’t try to be in a frequent contact because I can imagine how hard is this for them .In situation like this it is very complicated to find the balance and to make the right decision .It is complicated because , it doesn’t matter if you called to give condolences or not , every parent may accept it in a different way .From : They are jeering ,torturing us or gnawing on our grief and pain To: Oh, he is just a show off .As you can see there is no right decision or act .Each one of the possibilities is very hard but no matter what we are trying to help with anything in our power.

Reporter : Nobody can tell what is in the future for World Champions but one fact is for sure the postpone of their competitive career for now.

Maxim ; In June we decided to take a break for at least one year .The decision was made before and the accident , in general, has nothing to do with that .But you also have to understand that this sport was our life from very young age .The life is going on and we cannot stay and do nothing .We are trying somehow to work .

Sasho Yotov : The court will decide about the sentence but as they say “Everyone is equal before the Law“.
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Oh Viki!!! zvet
Many many thanks Friends for giving us the translation of the video! You´re so kind!!! I hope everything will result in the best! And to me it´s a good sign that they are thinking of "trying somehow to work". That will give a little bit of "normality" to them!
Thank you too for your translation of the letter of Hrisi´s student friend in the topic "Stuff from the Bulgarian Press" zvet ! It´s interesting to read!!!!!!
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I understand how Maxim and Albena feel by their statements:

Albena- No matter how long is the trial, no matters what is the sentence ,the heaviest punishment is the one
coming from our conscience because we have to live with this for the rest of our lives.

Maxim - Albena doesn’t have any fault but she is with me in this , my punishment began from the accident and I doubt that I ever forget about this. The courts decision and the sentence are less important then the punishment inside me .

I recall living in a neighborhood where children often played in the streets. As I would slowly drive by them, I would think, "If I accidentally hit one of these children, what the parents would feel would not be my first punishment. My first punishment would be the horror of living with what I had done for the rest of my life."

Albena and Maxm are not people who have been spoiled, without learning the hard lessons of life. On the contrary, they have lived a very difficult and disciplined life and overcome so many obstacles.

I have read every word I could find that they have uttered since this tragedy occurred. Their words convey a high degree of moral development, and I think it came from their parents and from the communities where they grew up. They are good, solid young people who have experienced one of life's worst tragedies. And, just like they are, I would be fearful of approaching the parents, thinking I might make them feel worse.

I cannot emphasize enough that a tragedy like this could happen to any one of us. Human beings are imperfect and cannot be totally prudent and vigilant for 24 hours, 7 days a week. In the blink of an eye, something terrible can happen that transforms all of us. If we were perfect, there would have been no need for all the great sacrifices that have tempered the human race over these thousands of years.

I do not discount Petar's life; I will be the first in line to make a contribution in his name to a scholarship or human services fund because this is something I *can* do to immortalize his life. Just like everyone else in this forum, my heart goes out to Petar's family and to Manuela's family.

My thoughts and prayers are with the Court and all the decision-makers in this case because they have a tough job to do. I can't help but think there must be a way for Maxim and Albena to continue their work for the good, with the satisfaction of Petar's and Manuela's families. If all involved would just totally focus on the Calgary performance of Adagio, they would comprehend the spirit of both Bulgaria's and Russia's ancestors as they marked their place in time and space. Their sacrifices were not in vain, else we would not have a Bulgaria and Russia as they stand today.

I don't think Albena and Maxim are even aware of what Adagio represents for the peoples of their ancient cultures. But, somehow, through the grace of God, they got it right, and it's been most enlightening to me. May it forever be enlightening to the peoples of all cultures throughout the world. And may Maxim and Albena continue their work, else there will be some sincerely seeking souls in the world who will forever remain in darkness. It is the duty of all human beings to strive for enlightenment and greatness.
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Viktoria, THANK YOU SO MUCH for this translation! zvet zvet zvet
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Maxim has not still challenged the decision from 10 january

"The seven day deadline in which the court decision from 10. january can be challenged expires tomorrow..."
--> The deadline for this will expire tomorrow, at 17 o´clock, Bulgarian time!

http://novini.dir.bg/2008/01/16/news2551635.html

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"Staviski has yet to appeal the decision of January 10
DnesPlus - Jan 16 15:25
Not yet submitted a complaint to appeal the decision of the Burgas District Court in the case against Maxim Staviski. This was announced by Veselina Pavlova of Burgas District Court. It is recalled tomorrow expires seven days, which may be appealed against the decision of the court by January 10. Currently there is not yet filed a complaint, but let's wait until tomorrow in 17 hours when the period expires, he added Pavlova. An often happens, the decision to appeal at the last moment, she said."



http://news.ibox.bg/news/id_986520106

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"No complaint filed in the case against Staviski of Jan. 10
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Not yet submitted a complaint to appeal the decision of the Burgas District Court in the case against Maxim Staviski.
This was announced by Veselina Pavlova of Burgas District Court.

It is recalled tomorrow expires seven days, which may be appealed against the decision of the court by January 10.

Currently there is not yet filed a complaint, but let's wait until tomorrow in 17 hours when the period expires, he added Pavlova. An often happens, the decision to appeal at the last moment, she said.

It is recalled at the Jan. 10 claim for U.S. $ 2 million compensation made by Krassimir Gorsov - father of severely injured following the crash Manuela, was rejected.

The court postponed the case against Maxim Staviski on Jan. 30."


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No new information - but as you know we try to collect everything we can find ... In English this time:

http://sofiaecho.com/article/staviiskis-case-suspended/id_27114/catid_34/search_1
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Today on BTV in "This Morning" /"Тази Сутрин"/ showed a little interview with Manuela`s father. He said that maybe will abandon the claim for 2,5 million levs and how will continue Manuela`s treatment.
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The latest news about Manuela (from today):

http://news.ibox.bg/news/id_1711542167 (in Bulgarian)

It seems Max and Manuelas father have talked with each other now... And now Manuelas father speaks about "only" 50 to 80 thousand dollars (per month?????) for the remedy of Manuela Exclamation . But in the trial he had to ask for 2.000.000 Leva Evil or Very Mad ...

Besides: If I understand this right, then Manuela is really out of the deep stage of coma Exclamation . But why have there been so much speculations about "in coma or not in coma" then during and after the first trial????? Question Only tactics, or what??? Question

And the online "translation". Most of it is understandable this time, I think...

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Translation by google:
"The father of Manuela: Staviski expect to take responsibility for my daughter
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We hear a Maxim Staviski. My friends and relatives wonder how a talk with him.
I expect to take responsibility and to assume the care of my daughter.

It said in the studio You Can you Krassimir Gorsov father of Manuela.
It is recalled the girl was long in a coma after the crash last summer caused by world champion Maxim Staviski.

Given that Staviski take over the care of my daughter in Israel, the amount we will very different.

"Money is not an aim in itself for us. It is our daughter to be fine," added Gorsov.

In the first session of the trial against Staviski parents Manuela requested kravnina 2 million leva, which was not released by court staff.

"There are days in which Manuela is active - is smiling, watching television.

Rehabilitation izmarya it very much. There are days in which it is active, says Krasimir.
It is clear that Bulgarian doctors were save her life, which is grateful.

In his words, however refund system in Bulgaria is clearly not that good. In Israel is much better. There are patients in much worse condition than hers.

Staviski itself was of the opinion - after consultations with doctors that Manuela is not to be indigenous, also said the father of the girl.

If there is minimal risk to her condition, I would not want to move, is categorical Gorsov.

"In Military Hospital did everything - saved my child, pogrizhiha for it and continue to care."

We now wait. I can not wait anymore. Decisions for our child, I take them so I judge.

After much consultation, I checked and I talked to people who have returned from there and so I decided claimed more postradalato father of a girl.

He noted that the amount per month, which is required for treatment of Israel was in Manuala around 50-60 to 80 thousand dollars.

In his words, the procedure of sending it is very complicated.
Study teams are formed because Manuela will travel with team doctors. Will do tests to determine which hospital is best for her.
Until we stop at two. I suppose until February everything must be done, says more Krassimir Gorsov.

He says that at the moment with his wife on accommodation in Sofia in order to care for Manuela. Both non-working businessman financed them close to her grandfather Manuel.

On the occasion of the trial, whose next meeting is on January 30, Gorsov pointed out that currently runs a procedure to appoint a temporary guardian, to allow the 30 to represent her child.

Hich procedure is not simple. I hope to deal with the time I got to it, "says Krassimir."


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Question One question: Is someone familiar with the different stages of coma and can give a short inside? Question
I´m only asking because I always wonder how "bad" or "good" the whole situation is really, and because I know nothing about such things...
Thanks in advance!!!!!

Edit: Pleeeeease, can someone explain this in short, simple words!?!?! This would be enough for me...

Edit 2 (23.01.2008): O.K., girls, forget this question... I´ll search for the answer in Wikipedia myself... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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