Interview with Gorshkov.

Here's my translation of an interview with A&M's ex-coach.
That's the extract about A&M:
I think that Denkova and Stavissky look quite o'k. I can't say that it's some new tendency - something like those that we with Petukhov tried to give to their style of skating because we understood - Albena and Max are small, and such a pair must have some interesting features. But what I see now is a good level. Though half of the OD is based on those very ideas which were originally created by Sergey... By the way, Albena called Sergey in Summer asking him to help them at least with their exhibition.

- Well, should it be surprising? If I'm not mistaken, The Bulgarians skated in your group for 8 years.

-Leave forever if you leave. And money has nothing to do with it.

- Do you still feel offended so much?

-Well, what can I say. We parted in a normal way. I understood that Albena and Max were to leave in any case. They were jealous of Domnina and Shabalin and saw that we with Sergey liked to work with that pair much more. So, problems began. Besides, Linichuk, to whom they went at last, guaranteed them a medal in Torino. And I couldn't do it.

-So you discussed it?

- Sure! I told them honestly that they would be the first at the Worlds in 2006. At least because all best couples would leave after the Olympics. And at the Olympics nothing can be quaranteed that had been proved many times. And Linichuk, as It became known later, gave the quarantee not only to the Bulgurians but to the Italians as well. As the result the former became fifth, and the latter - sixth. But that is her style. And I can't cheat my sportsmen. ]

-Are you sportsmen ready to compete with denkova and Stavissky?

-Technically they are, but they are not given such a task. Because I think not only about this season but for the next 3 as well. Though, I believe they can enter the top 3 now.



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Just another point of view. Not very nice but I thought you might be interested.

omfg - he seems quite negative!

i even wonder how Albenka and Max have been with this man for so many years. They were loyal... and their 8 years together is a real exception - usually coaches are changed in 2-3-4 years!

Btw, somewhere I heard that Gorshkov was a disputable person - he was rude to the other skaters.. and called them names.. and...

I suppose the Russian ladies are more familiar with the problem...

I am just affected with his words! :|

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- Sure! I told them honestly that they would be the first at the Worlds in 2006. At least because all best couples would leave after the Olympics.

That's not much of a compliment in my opinion, and I don't think it would have made them very confident hearing that. Besides, only Navka/Kostomarov and Fusar-Poli/Margaglio retired right after the Olympics. And Grushina/Goncharov, too, but I never thought that they were better than Albena and Max in any respect. What he said sounds as if there'd been no contenders left in Calgary. What about Dubreuil/Lauzon, Delobel/Schoenfelder, Drobiatzko/Vanagas, Belbin/Agosto? I think that Albena and Max fought very hard for that Worlds title, in a hard competition.

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And at the Olympics nothing can be quaranteed that had been proved many times. And Linichuk, as It became known later, gave the quarantee not only to the Bulgurians but to the Italians as well. As the result the former became fifth, and the latter - sixth.

Obviously no-one can guarantee that you'll get a medal at the Olympics, but if Linichuk said that Albena and Max were good enough to get one, I think she was right. I thought that even with the mistakes they made, Albena and Max should have been at least in third place; and that the deductions they got seemed unfair. I don't think I'm the only one who did!

Girls!

I do not like what he says in the interview ..
He is not very nice to Albie an Max!

I just cannot image Albie and Max being jealous..
They were just defending their position and skating!

cute_n_gorgeous wrote:

- Sure! I told them honestly that they would be the first at the Worlds in 2006.

Hm, I don't beleive that! It's very easy to say such things when the Worlds are over. Why he didn't support them last season? And this thing tha A&M were jealous of D/Sh!!! I don't think jealousy is the right word! They were ignored, neglected by Gorshkov....

cute_n_gorgeous wrote:

And at the Olympics nothing can be quaranteed that had been proved many times. And Linichuk, as It became known later, gave the quarantee not only to the Bulgurians but to the Italians as well. As the result the former became fifth, and the latter - sixth.

That's only because the Italian fell and A&M made few mistakes too, if they haven't, I think they could be in top 3. Or at least, they would deserve that.

Thanks for the interview!

Quoting the ex coach!

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Well, what can I say. We parted in a normal way. I understood that Albena and Max were to leave in any case. They were jealous of Domnina and Shabalin and saw that we with Sergey liked to work with that pair much more. So, problems began. Besides, Linichuk, to whom they went at last, guaranteed them a medal in Torino. And I couldn't do it.

I don´t believe that Albena and Maxin were jealous!
Its just excuses... ´

And Albena and Maxin seemed very fond of Sergei.. They were a team.. Just excuses again!

Elfaria wrote:

omfg - he seems quite negative!

i even wonder how Albenka and Max have been with this man for so many years. They were loyal... and their 8 years together is a real exception - usually coaches are changed in 2-3-4 years!

Btw, somewhere I heard that Gorshkov was a disputable person - he was rude to the other skaters.. and called them names.. and...

I suppose the Russian ladies are more familiar with the problem...

I am just affected with his words! :|

Yes, I also heard some not very pleasant facts about the manner Gorshkov treated his skaters.

nyx wrote:

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- Sure! I told them honestly that they would be the first at the Worlds in 2006. At least because all best couples would leave after the Olympics.

That's not much of a compliment in my opinion, and I don't think it would have made them very confident hearing that. Besides, only Navka/Kostomarov and Fusar-Poli/Margaglio retired right after the Olympics. And Grushina/Goncharov, too, but I never thought that they were better than Albena and Max in any respect. What he said sounds as if there'd been no contenders left in Calgary. What about Dubreuil/Lauzon, Delobel/Schoenfelder, Drobiatzko/Vanagas, Belbin/Agosto? I think that Albena and Max fought very hard for that Worlds title, in a hard competition.

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And at the Olympics nothing can be quaranteed that had been proved many times. And Linichuk, as It became known later, gave the quarantee not only to the Bulgurians but to the Italians as well. As the result the former became fifth, and the latter - sixth.

Obviously no-one can guarantee that you'll get a medal at the Olympics, but if Linichuk said that Albena and Max were good enough to get one, I think she was right. I thought that even with the mistakes they made, Albena and Max should have been at least in third place; and that the deductions they got seemed unfair. I don't think I'm the only one who did!

I can't but agree. I believe, A&M as well as the French should have got olympic medals. The Ukranians were always so boring!!!! And the Americans - that just wasn't their dancing that gave them the medals but the judging thing as well.

Maria wrote:

Girls!

I do not like what he says in the interview ..
He is not very nice to Albie an Max!

I just cannot image Albie and Max being jealous..
They were just defending their position and skating!

YES! They just wanted more attention I think!!!

But, you know I can understand Gorshkov to some extend.
He wanted an easier way of becoming the coach of champions...

cute_n_gorgeous wrote:

Maria wrote:

I just cannot image Albie and Max being jealous..
They were just defending their position and skating!

YES! They just wanted more attention I think!!!

But, you know I can understand Gorshkov to some extend.
He wanted an easier way of becoming the coach of champions...

Albena and Max were the best couple coached by Gorshkov, so he should pay more attention to them. But as a Russian, he prefered his russian couple, which wasn't fair! He's supposed to be a professional and treat all skaters in the same way.

Me too, as Lyra (or Serena) said, I heard he insulted some of his skaters

Vania wrote:

cute_n_gorgeous wrote:

Maria wrote:

I just cannot image Albie and Max being jealous..
They were just defending their position and skating!

YES! They just wanted more attention I think!!!

But, you know I can understand Gorshkov to some extend.
He wanted an easier way of becoming the coach of champions...

Albena and Max were the best couple coached by Gorshkov, so he should pay more attention to them. But as a Russian, he prefered his russian couple, which wasn't fair! He's supposed to be a professional and treat all skaters in the same way.

Me too, as Lyra (or Serena) said, I heard he insulted some of his skaters

Yes, I read about it -it must have been in an article by Artur Werner - I'm not sure, though.

I can understand Gorshkov's choice from the material point of view - it's easier to make champions out of Russian skaters anyway. We can't but understand that should A*M be Russians, French or Americans they would have been the Torino Champions. Or in top 3.

cute_n_gorgeous wrote:

We can't but understand that should A*M be Russians, French or Americans they would have been the Torino Champions. Or in top 3.

You're absolutely right! Max said in an interview, few years ago, that if they were competing for Russia, they would have won more medals and earlier than 2003, and maybe they would have been champions, in 2003 or 2004 (I'm not sure for what exactly he said, so, please excuse me, if I'm worng, but that was the sense, generally). Same for Drobiazko/Vanagas.
And, I can say also that if N&K were Bulgarians, Lithuanians or from another small country, I'm sure they would have less medals! (sorry, Navka's fans, but I think it's true...)

I'm very upset by this article.
I think that what Gorshkov says is not nice at all. It is even insulting in a degree. Ha, you will win because the good couples will retire!! What is this?! This is not a thing to say to any skater!!

Albena and Maxim, when talking about the former team/coach, used very good words. They mentioned the good parts of their colaboration, they gave the proper credits and spoke in a very diplomatic way about existing problems.

I think that this is not fair at all....They were his best couple and he should have supported them. And even if they did not compete for Russia, they would have deserved at least the same attention like other couples.

As for the issue of small countries, I must agree with Vania. I hope I'm not offending anyone, but I'm sure that if things were slighlty different, the positions, medals and podiums would have been completely different. N/K wouldn't have won so many medals if they would have competed for Bg, Ro, Lithuania or any other country without much tradition in ice skating.
I'm positive that AM should have much more gold medals right now!!

Ok, this is less relevant now. The thing is...The way Gorshkov behaves, even after AM said nothing but kind words, indicate the precise reasons for AM decision to change the coach.

As for him trying to take the credits for all the lifts/moves from this season...is another desperate thing to do, in my opinion. Because Albena and Maxim always recognised the huge help they received from him. They recognised that they were formed by Gorshkov. There is no need for him to point this out again and again. Linichuk did something really impressive: build confidence and strength after Gorshkov destoyed it. It's not only about moves and lifts...

Cute and gorgeous wrote!

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YES! They just wanted more attention I think!!!

But, you know I can understand Gorshkov to some extend.
He wanted an easier way of becoming the coach of champions

I see, and I think you are right....
HE knows he will become the coach of champions sooner or later now and he won't have to face the mighty russian Fed .
On the contrary, he will be praised by them where as, with Albie and Max he would have to face other sort of music..

Harsh...I can see why AM left him... :|


Lyra

..Russianskaterdiva wrote!

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Harsh...I can see why AM left him... :|

YESS!!! AND I AM VERRRY GLAD THAT THEY HAVE BECOME WORLD CHAMPIONS BEFORE HIM......


YOU MUST THINK I'm very childish ,but that's what I feel.....

Maria wrote:

..Russianskaterdiva wrote!

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Harsh...I can see why AM left him... :|

YESS!!! AND I AM VERRRY GLAD THAT THEY HAVE BECOME WORLD CHAMPIONS BEFORE HIM......


YOU MUST THINK I'm very childish ,but that's what I feel.....

Not at all! I really agree with you! And personally, I think Gorshkov is just SCREWY!!! HE DID NOT DESERVE TO BE IN THE PRESENCE OF ALBENA AND MAX!!!!! Forgive my language... Hehe...spent 3 hours in Target today (from like 8-11 p.m. and we had so much fun! Hehe...I saw this coat and hat set, and I just HAD to try it on for the heck of it...when I tried it on, Dasha, who is ironically an ice-dancer (but loves AM!!), told me I looked like Natalia Linichuk with the whole leopard-print and russian-style hat. Don't really know why they even sell these down south where it NEVER snows...and then Marla, Adele, and Rishika were like "Who the heck are they talking about?!?!" It was hilarious though and we were like dying of laughter!! I think the people around us thought we had hit our heads or something however!! Well anyway, to stay on-topic, (HAHA!!), I am so glad that they won under Linichuk/Karpanasov and not Gorshkov!!


Lyra

Maria wrote:

I just cannot image Albie and Max being jealous..
They were just defending their position and skating!

I can imagine them being jealous, but not without very good reason. A coach's number 1 competitor should never have to put up with being told that the coach prefers the number 2 competitor, unless there are some quite severe behaviour/discipline problems with the number 1. Since I can't imagine that with Max and Albena...

And what did he expect, that Linichuk would make their skating look completely and totally different? They'd been skating together for 9 years when they went to her, how would that be possible? Ugh, the man is deluding himself.

And I completely agree with everyone who's pointed out that they've refused to say anything bad about him, and the first thing he does is say they're stealing elements and choreography. What. Ever.

Grace wrote:

Maria wrote:

I just cannot image Albie and Max being jealous..
They were just defending their position and skating!

I can imagine them being jealous, but not without very good reason. A coach's number 1 competitor should never have to put up with being told that the coach prefers the number 2 competitor, unless there are some quite severe behaviour/discipline problems with the number 1. Since I can't imagine that with Max and Albena...

And what did he expect, that Linichuk would make their skating look completely and totally different? They'd been skating together for 9 years when they went to her, how would that be possible? Ugh, the man is deluding himself.

And I completely agree with everyone who's pointed out that they've refused to say anything bad about him, and the first thing he does is say they're stealing elements and choreography. What. Ever.

Ummm...I think it is safe to say that Gorshkov is delusional and needs to just SHUT UP!!! He is working himself into a deep bottomless pit that he'll never get out of and the things he says are just absurd. No one who has met or read/heard about Albena and Max will EVER believe his nonsense... I sort of pity him though...in a weird sort of way...


Lyra

I don't pity him at all because right now he has Domnina/Shabalin who of course look poised to take over ice dancing for at least the next Olympic cycle, if not the next two. Maybe if they ever leave him, I'll feel a little pity. Probably not much, though.

Grace wrote!

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because right now he has Domnina/Shabalin who of course look poised to take over ice dancing for at least the next Olympic cycle, if not the next two. Maybe if they ever leave him, I'll feel a little pity

OHHH! Grace . I have already thought about that too!
I like D/S, but I think that people should win a competition only if they deserve it . I 've already explained my thoughts about this several times! :lol:before and we know that sometimes there are jugdes that are invited to be biased

If S/D win in the coming years let's hope they deserve it I think that there are other couples out there that have talent..but...I don't know

Is this coach talking of the SAME ALBENA AND MAX we are talking about???

Grace wrote!

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And I completely agree with everyone who's pointed out that they've refused to say anything bad about him, and the first thing he does is say they're stealing elements and choreography. What. Ever. :evil

Damn the man ...
I prefer not to comment on this!... Albena and Max were always soooo polite about the whole thing!


I think that we are going to suffer a Gorshov era sooner or later.. I have got nothing against that young, nice russian couple, but I'm already suspicious a year or two in advance!

Bea wrote:

Is this coach talking of the SAME ALBENA AND MAX we are talking about???

Grace wrote!

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And I completely agree with everyone who's pointed out that they've refused to say anything bad about him, and the first thing he does is say they're stealing elements and choreography. What. Ever. :evil

Damn the man ...
I prefer not to comment on this!... Albena and Max were always soooo polite about the whole thing!


I think that we are going to suffer a Gorshov era sooner or later.. I have got nothing against that young, nice russian couple, but I'm already suspicious a year or two in advance!

Well, I believe we all should try to distinguish between Gorshkov as a person and him as a coach. A&M wouldn't have reached their medals but for him - and we all should be grateful to this coach for our wonderful pair. And as to his personal qualities - well, let's leave it to him and his self-respect.

And I believe we shouldn't treat Oxsana and Max negatively. They are really very talented. And it's not their fault they they used to be underestimated because of their second pair status.

They are nice and remind me A&M in some ways.

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Well, I believe we all should try to distinguish between Gorshkov as a person and him as a coach. A&M wouldn't have reached their medals but for him - and we all should be grateful to this coach for our wonderful pair. And as to his personal qualities - well, let's leave it to him and his self-respect.

And I believe we shouldn't treat Oxsana and Max negatively. They are really very talented. And it's not their fault they they used to be underestimated because of their second pair status.

They are nice and remind me A&M in some ways.

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I think you are right! I am too harsh as usual!
I think that the nice russian couple is very talented, so I'm not addressing most of my words to them
And Gorshoch is a very good coach, and I agree that he had a very important part in training Albena and Max..but I DON'T LIKE WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT OUR SWEET SKATERS that's all!!! :myhead:I was shocked!!!

BEIJOS!!!

Bea wrote:

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Well, I believe we all should try to distinguish between Gorshkov as a person and him as a coach. A&M wouldn't have reached their medals but for him - and we all should be grateful to this coach for our wonderful pair. And as to his personal qualities - well, let's leave it to him and his self-respect.

And I believe we shouldn't treat Oxsana and Max negatively. They are really very talented. And it's not their fault they they used to be underestimated because of their second pair status.

They are nice and remind me A&M in some ways.

:flower

I think you are right! I am too harsh as usual!
I think that the nice russian couple is very talented, so I'm not addressing most of my words to them
And Gorshoch is a very good coach, and I agree that he had a very important part in training Albena and Max..but I DON'T LIKE WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT OUR SWEET SKATERS that's all!!! :myhead:I was shocked!!!

BEIJOS!!!

So was I. Well, though, to tell the truth - not so much 'cause I still remember the story with Yagudin and Mishin. It was very VERY dirty. Much dirtier than that one with Gorshkov, compared with Mishin, Gorshkov is just a gentleman ))))